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James J. Heaney's avatar

Hey, @everyone! Lots of great, in-depth comments on this one, which is wonderful. (Please keep them coming for as long as the Spirit moves you!)

As I sat down to start replying to all of them, I realized that doing so would take many hours, and that, since several of you raised similar points, it would be duplicative as well. So I'm now planning to do a "highlights from the comments" follow-up to this post in a few weeks (after I take my time off and then post the next part of If They'd Made Me Pope).

Until then, I'll be reading attentively!

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Gilbert's avatar

Combining three unrelated comments into one so as to be less spammy:

Section 1 of the comment: Enumerating the low-hanging bombs:

There is no topical limitation on section 3, so section 4 is effectively an unlimited power to amend the constitution.

DW-NOMINATE could be gamed by holding a lot of roll-calls on do-nothing motions. I think probably a majority party could even arrange the order of the role-call and thereby vote while already knowing all minority votes. If that flies and they do it often enough they can make the rankings of their own members whatever they want. Even if you ban that it is still easy for both parties to make a pact to statistically demoderate their respective moderates. The reason it hasn't been Goodharted yet is because it hasn't been made into a goal yet.

The amendment has a hard-coded assumption that recorded votes by name and roll-call votes are the same thing. I don't know if this is currently true as a matter of American ritual but it is certainly gameable. Just hold votes likely to produce the desired statistics by roll-call and others by electronic device, signed ballot, division, or whatever.

In the edge-case of perfect party-discipline DW-NOMINATE will collapse the spectrum to two points and the ranking will become undefined. With not-quite-but-near perfect party discipline it will be much easier to game or near random.

I don't know how easy it is for isolated members to force votes in the various legislatures, but if it isn't hard it probably can be made so. If roll-calls just happen very rarely, new members can be kept disqualified for a long time.

I don't think the states are required to make consent of all branches of the legislature necessary for legislation. Certainly various kinds of overridable upper-house vetos are common internationally. So a state constitution could just make the governor into a single-member and therefore least numerous branch of the legislature with the same veto power he now has outside of it. Or even have a "house of the senate majority leader".

If the presiding officer of the state senate doesn't like the expected section 2 winner, he can force section 3 by not waiting for nominations and just recessing the section 2 session immediately after opening it.

Section 2 of the comment: A comparative legal observation.

As far as I understand it, unconstitutional and federally preempted laws in the US are unenforceable but stay on the books (and maybe become enforceable later if the higher law changes). Section 5 would create a unique exception by potentially making a provision of a state constitution not just unenforceable but actually void. In German legal terms, you have reinvented Geltungsvorrang (validity precedence) while previously American law only new Anwendungsvorrang (application precedence).

Section 3 of the comment: How to elect the least hated member

Note that the least controversial hated will usually not be a Condorcet winner, because a Condorcet winner still can have a fairly large minority who hates him. But electing the least hated member is actually fairly easy: Use your favorite method of proportional representation (which should be STV but here it doesn't matter much) to elect an exclusion panel that has one less member than your state senate. The person not elected to the exclusion panel is your winner. In a two-party system, effectively the majority gets to exclude all of the minority, and the minority gets to exclude a lot of majority members in order of hate. If the majority is comfortably large, they also get to exclude some of their own.

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