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Re: Vernacular vs Latin. What about St. John XXIII's Encyclical "Veterum Sapientia" or the Vatican II documents that say Latin should be retained?

And my first experience with the TLM was the complete opposite of yours. I also went to a low Mass and I was deeply moved by it. My confirmation saint was at Mass and when told enemies were coming for him and he refused to leave early, resulting in his martyrdom. I never intuitively grasped why he refused to leave, a bunch of guys coming to murder you is clearly an acceptable reason to duck out early, but on that day I finally understood why.

And finally since you brought up the complete joke of the hour long fast before Communion but didn't mention changing it, why not bring back the 3 hour fast to replace it in canon law? It wouldn't be too hard a burden pastorally but it would actually be meaningful too.

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Wow, his Holiness James I would certainly be busy on becoming Pope!

Re: oaths. The multi-paragraph anti-Modernist Oath of St Pius X is much longer than the spoken oaths we are more familiar with, whether a witness oath to tell the truth in a legal proceeding or an oath of office. I hope that it, (and your proposed anti-traditionalist Oath) are either drastically shortened or else taken in writing.

Re: Traditionalism. As a convert who stumbled into a TLM Low Mass exactly once in my life, I pretty much agree with your view on the 2 rites, but also that Traditionalists were definitely persecuted by Pope Francis's overreaction. And I see you are familiar with Fr Zuhlsdorf's website! That used to be one of my primary Catholic websites, but between Fr Z's boosterism of Trump and his toleration of the sedevacantist-adjacent SSPX, I'm soured on him. (I once argued on his site with one of his followers over who really won in 2020).

Re: the death penalty. I pretty much have the same position you do, that current Church teaching is best expressed by St John Paul the Great in "Evangelium Vitae", echoed and strenghened (but not doctrinally modified) by Pope Francis in various speeches and in "Fratelli Tutti". I don't see the Church easing up on the death penalty, but perhaps someday we will have a doctrine that reconciles past Church practice with abolition in the modern world, something looking like St Augustine's "Just War" doctrine.

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