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Giiib's avatar

Great article. Love the very entertaining and enlightening telling of early church history (more of this please!) (especially the footnotes which continue to be un-skippable).

A few notes:

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The Council went on to ferociously condemn the Three Chapters, including the posthumous excommunication of Theodore, exactly as Justinian wanted.

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I assume (assuming this is the original Three Chapters and not Justinian's Three Chapters lol) that the council condemned the Three Chapters and affirmed (not condemned) the posthumous excommunication?

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- attempted excommunication of a man who’d been for a century;

+ attempted excommunication of a man who’d been **dead** for a century;

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I am not going to read the actual translated document, due to time (and the warning at the top of the article (which imo should be placed below the history section so people don't mistakenly skip it)), but it does comfort me that if I ever *did* want to read it, it would be there. Thank you for the effort!

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Woah, seriously, nice. I'd skimmed the constitutum maybe two years ago, I think because Edward Denny had tried to cite it as an example of a pope contradicting himself ex cathedra (if it was him, I think he has a significantly broader reading of what ex cathedra means than most modern RCs do). Unfortunately (recall: I'm protestant), the only relevant case was Ibas, which wasn't worded strongly enough for me to be happy with it. (and you consider that a disciplinary decree—but doesn't the statement involve rejection of what anyone says to the contrary, not just discipline?)

Looking back at Denny: he thinks that the council anathematized Vigilius when they anathematized those who accept the three chapters (Vigilius was still not on board with the council). I'm not sure what you think of anathematizing popes, validity of not-yet-papally-approved councils, etc.

Do you have a citation for popes being unable to be deposed? Since my impression was that there were a decent number of depositions in the course of history. Felix and Liberius, for one (though I guess now Felix is considered an anti-pope, even though he was held to be the real one for most of history), and I think that one guy who was pope three times might have been deposed, I don't remember. And of course, the councils of Pisa, Constance, and Basel claimed to be able to, and actually exercised the power the claimed.

(On that note, I'd be quite interested to hear what you think of those councils.)

Can I see the Giant Spreadsheet of Papal Definitions? Please???

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