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Victoria F's avatar

Unfortunately I came to the same conclusion in the run up to the 2024 election. Going by history, we start to see negative impacts on the social order when immigration reaches somewhere around 10% foreign born. 7-10% is our sweetspot as a nation. I say unfortunately because all the remedies are awful.

A factor I think is also important is the 2nd generation citizen population. My mom is a 2nd generation citizen. Her mom came from Ireland as a young adult, and married a man who was a 2nd generation citizen whose parent's were from Ireland as well. My mom who was born and raised in the US has had a strong affinity for Ireland her whole life and a corresponding lack of attraction to the US. She was raised in a Irish ghetto, considers herself Irish enough to seek out and obtain citizenship, and has a large in-group bias towards the Irish and other people of Irish decent. She tries to convince me to get Irish citizenship every few months and doesn't understand my resistance to the very idea. *I* am American.

I think there is probably a limit to 2nd generation citizens as well, though that data will be harder to suss out. That might be what we see with Canada as well - I suspect Canada has fewer second generation citizens but more first generation citizens. The rule might be something like "Less than 1/3 of the population must be a first or second generation immigrant."

Though I don't think the picture is quite so rosy in Canada. They seemed poised to elect a "far right" candidate up until Trump started talking about annexing Alberta and then support tanked for anything associated with the right.

Another aspect is that 10% across the country could still be close to 30-50% in a specific small town. If there is more of an effort to funnel immigration evenly that might work as well as reducing the immigrant population This means intentionally breaking up refugee groups when resettling, among other things which might be unsavory to people but it is the kind of thing that would also possibly increase the rate of integration and increase the overall amount of immigrants we could take in.

Regarding E-verify, from my understanding, employers are legally required to accept any "reasonably genuine" documents that appear to relate to the employee, even if they are not ultimately confirmed by e-verify. Employers cannot terminate an employee simply because they believe they are an illegal immigrant. Doing so may result in anti-discrimination lawsuits against the employer and then the immigrant receives protection from deportation for up to 6 years.

From https://legalaidatwork.org/factsheet/employment-rights-of-undocumented-workers/ :

"“Deferred Action for Labor Enforcement” (DALE) is a temporary immigration status meant to encourage workers to report employers’ unlawful practices without fear of retaliation, including threats of deportation. DALE, if granted, is a commitment from DHS to protect its recipient from deportation for four years, with a possibility to renew that protection for an additional two years. During this time, a DALE recipient is considered to be lawfully present in the United States and is able to apply for work authorization. It is important to understand, however, that DALE is only a temporary protection that does not offer any pathways to a permanent legal status in the U.S. Also, applying for DALE does notify DHS that you are in the United States, with the possibility that DHS could try to deport you after your legal status expires. We strongly recommend consulting with an immigration attorney before requesting DALE."

Maybe I received bad information regarding this but it sounds like the problem might not be entirely on the corporations but at least some of the blame lies on our litigious society.

I disagree that just because someone evaded the law for long enough they should automatically receive amnesty. Statue of limitations are due to evidentiary difficulties, not because there's some moral right to avoid punishment for wrongdoing if you're good enough at it. If the idea is that immigration crimes are simply unimportant, mere clerical errors, I think the existence of this post is sufficient to demonstrate that this is not the case. Illegal immigration can bring a nation to her knees.

Though I guess we do have precedent for a statue of limitations and for that alone we have room to argue that people who have been here for a decade+ should have standing to remain. Unless they have warrants out on them or were otherwise told to get out in a reasonable time frame from their entry.

Another solution is to increase birth rates of later-generation Americans, though no one really knows how to do this.

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Nice article, I too live in MN and have noticed much the same things. I am a centrist, but who is pretty radical on immigration (and think it has been *the issue* since at least 2013. I seems like one of those things where if the Dems had caved to the right's concerns a bit back then, Trump doesn't get elected either time) in part because I was so sick of NPR/MPR totally soft-pedaling the issue. really one of the things that "red-pilled" me.

Both my wife and I (she is much more a progressive than me) have been talking about this sort of thing since our college days 20+ years ago, and how the danger zone in the US is around 14%. And here we are...

One of the biggest places all this friction plays out is schools. Radicalizes a lot of parents. At my kids (pretty good) inner city public schools, where there were very few problems of any sort, one of the Somali 4th graders was bringing a knife to school and shaking down the other 4th graders for money and another 5th grader was stealing things from students and the school in an almost organized crime manner. Breaking into locked areas with tools and such for months, and stealing in bulk.

Just a little local anecdote that underlines the kind of friction this creates. I am a bit involved in Dem politics and very involved in youth sports. I was at a Dem event where the elected official's staff member doesn't know that, and tells me about how they hate sport parents and can't wait to gut the youth sports budget because that is "white people shit" (note almost everyone in this conversation except the elected official is white because this is a fundraiser). They say they will support some sports the PoC kids like (namely soccer), but basically white people don't need anything from government and their culture doesn't matter.

I gently point out that actually my family is very involved in this sort of thing, and a lot of people value it a lot. And exactly this type of behavior is what turns the existing population against immigrants, and they just sheepishly changed the subject.

Nice to hear what they really think. Didn't donate any more money to that dude.

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